inGame footage of various games. In the future I hope to add reviews. ^_^

While some conservatives claim that Obama wants to kill your granny I hesitate to accept that as Obamas sole reason for pushing the health care reform.

From the private insurers point of view it makes perfect sense to oppose the reform ... if they didn't, they'd face an immense decline in profits if either the government option provides better care or if regulations bar insurers from avoiding costs by their current methods.

But it's a bit too simplicistic to merely claim that one party acts out of altruism (or a loathing of old ladies) and the other out of greed.

So, what do you think are the driving motives in this dispute ?

(Note that I don't ask you what you think is the better solution.)

 

Pro (Motives of the health care reform advocates):

  • The Believe that health care is a right, not a privilege (file under altruism).
  • Desire for more government control.
  • An excuse to raise taxes (no one wants to pay more taxes without a good reason).
  • Desperation (they can't get private insurance and hope for the public option).

Con (Motives of the health care reform opponents):

  • Greed / seeking profits (Insurance companies will lose money if forced to provide care to sick)
  • Selfishness ("Why should I pay for your surgery?").
  • Government shouldn't do health care because they are incompetent ().
  • Poor people should die sooner than later.
  • It is not clear how the reform can be financed.
  • A deal with drug companies prohibiting the government to negotiate drug prices can't lower costs.

 

Two key issues that make the health care reform necessary in the eyes of the proponents are quailty and cost.

Quality has been discussed to death and information (and misinformation) is freely available.

Cost is harder to estimate - one simply can't understand what estimated costs of trillions of dollars over decades means for your paycheck. So I started a different thread where I want to compare the personal average cost of health care in different countries.

The personal Cost of Health Care - An international comparison

For example: German average gross income is about €2,500. After deductions (including health insurance) a single person without kids gets to keep about €1,500.

And what can germans do with that money in germany? Why, buy beer, of course. €1,500 get you 1,200 litre of high quality Pilsener beer - twice as much if you don't care about quality and go for the cheap labels.

Health care costs: €185 per month (currently $264)

 

Cheers!


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on Aug 27, 2009

10 year deficit is at $9 Trillion dollars as of yesterday, we cannot afford another entitlement program just to satisfy a small part of society.

on Aug 27, 2009

Thanks for the update ID, can it be managed efficiently for the benefit of ALL americans, kept under rational limits, maintained innovative, reasonably progressive? Such as the upcoming strategic pullouts from Iraq & Afghanistan?

Now. Today. Evolution is revolution.

When it counts.

on Aug 27, 2009

Thanks for the update ID, can it be managed efficiently for the benefit of ALL americans, kept under rational limits, maintained innovative, reasonably progressive? Such as the upcoming strategic pullouts from Iraq & Afghanistan?

No it can't.  Look at social security and Medicare who are going broke.  It's even said social security payment will not rise to reflect cost of living.  I could sit here for hours and cite examples like this, but the bottom line is the government is not efficient.

 

on Aug 27, 2009

I wonder when someone gets unrealistic ideas like "Cut down on military spending to pay off debt and produce thingies again to sell stuff" and gets elected into a position of political power.

Oh wait, I think there's a colored gentleman ... whathsisname...

 

on Aug 27, 2009

I wonder when someone gets unrealistic ideas like "Cut down on military spending to pay off debt and produce thingies again to sell stuff" and gets elected into a position of political power.

Cutting military spending is not a brilliant idea in the middle of a war, especially when the military is the most visible advantage. Must be a confused person.

And I have never seen a politician "produce" anything.

 

Oh wait, I think there's a colored gentleman ... whathsisname...

Based on your logic, that would be Hillary Clinton.

 

on Aug 27, 2009

And here it is:

Predictable appeals to emotion as members of Congress become more desperate to pass a reform bill: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0809/26471.html
Does either side of this argument really want to be responsible for the emotional appeals used by people who share their opinion?

on Aug 27, 2009

Cutting military spending is not a brilliant idea in the middle of a war, especially when the military is the most visible advantage. Must be a confused person.

I remember you cut the ruinous spending of the F-22. How unbrilliant.

I wonder if there are publicly available numbers out there just screaming to be discussed. Maybe scratch some planned wars from the business schedule.

on Aug 27, 2009

Cutting military spending is not a brilliant idea in the middle of a war, especially when the military is the most visible advantage. Must be a confused person.
There's a difference between cutting spending and reducing resources available for combat. Cutting back on a fighter aircraft which has practically no usefulness in modern warfare and costs over a quarter of a billion dollars per airfract, or not buying into an outrageous tanker leasing plan, or having troops do KP duty and wash their laundry instead of contracting out every minutiae of daily life are all ways to cut spending during war time.

That being said though, when was the last time we weren't in the middle of a war? By your logic we can never, ever cut military spending.

1983 Grenada United States Intervention
1989 US Invasion of Panama
United States vs. Panama
1990-1991 Persian Gulf War
United States and Coalition Forces vs. Iraq
1995-1996 Intervention in Bosnia and Herzegovina United States as part of NATO acted peacekeepers in former Yugoslavia
2001 Invasion of Afghanistan
United States and Coalition Forces vs. the Taliban regime in Afghanistan to fight terrorism.
2003 Invasion of Iraq
United States and Coalition Forces vs. Iraq
on Aug 27, 2009

This shirt was quite popular for a time ...

The text obscured by the hair reads: "US World Domination Tour".

That being said though, when was the last time we weren't in the middle of a war? By your logic we can never, ever cut military spending.

That's the business model of the military industrial complex.

on Aug 27, 2009

Leauki
Cutting military spending is not a brilliant idea in the middle of a war, especially when the military is the most visible advantage...

Alright then, let's read about what the situation was in March'08; Evaluation of the cost.

Deficit? Oil moguls got filty rich too - that's what YOU spent & still spending, America.

Wars are and always will be a faulty equation -- unless Peace takes over for good and necessary reasons.

on Aug 27, 2009

You do know what Plato said, right?  "Only the dead have seen the end of war."

 

War is inevitable with humans, especially if Group A keeps trying to force its views on Group B and vice-versa.  Forcing your views on someone will just make them violent and angry.

on Aug 27, 2009

Not if they're dead.

on Aug 27, 2009

That's the business model of the military industrial complex.

Stay tuned, the World (yours & mine) has got the miscellaneous arsenals of nukes to deal with and they're mostly swimming tight, stockpiled and ready. Freeze frames inspired by the Cold War.

Investing in power or gambling on fear - you do the atomic clouds math.

 

 

on Aug 27, 2009

Zyxpsilon

Sit. Roll over. Play dead...


At least they can negotiate a contract & its fairplay conditions. But everyone knows how tough it is to have some leverage on performance, quality, reliability, capacity, productivity at work without standards & open-minded collaboration within ANY industries in the UnitedSA.

Unions or Syndicates invest in workforce progress despite your local WallyMartys invasion by throatcut enslavering of staff... for shareholders who wouldn't be able to stock cheap products on shelves even if they knew how. Price tag me an inventory of abuses and smile, yo'goin'down.

As someone who has worked there, it's not that bad. Besides, unions are one of the most criminal money grubbing types of organizations out there, and all the labor laws support the idiocy. It's illegal to prevent a union from forming at a store (see next paragraph), but the union can legally bar anyone not belonging to the union from being employed at a store. Or, as is the case for some job classes at my current employer, you don't *have* to join the union, but if you opt out you have to pay 80% of the union dues anyway.

Walmart has legally fought the formation of a union twice to my knowlege. Once was a straight cut, the day after the union formed people showed up to work to find the store closed, and all of the employees fired. The second was in Canada, where presumably approach #1 was illegal. There they set all employees to minimum wage, with no chance of raises, ever.

And yes, Walmart offers group health insurance. They don't pay for it like other companies do, but if you want to you can get cheaper insurance than is available to individuals. Most of their employees don't opt to go that route, but it IS available.

on Aug 27, 2009

Alright then, let's read about what the situation was in March'08; Evaluation of the cost.

Deficit? Oil moguls got filty rich too - that's what YOU spent & still spending, America.

The author STARTS with the principle that the war has "failed". It doesn't surprise me that she arrives at the conclusion that it was also too expensive.

What she didn't know (and she didn't care that she didn't know) was that the war didn't fail. Iraq is now a much safer place than it used to be under Saddam and is certainly a valuable ally to have (unless Obama really is dumb enough to withdraw troops from right between Saudi-Arabia and Iran, where all those terrorists come from).

Oil moguls got filthy rich? With oil prices falling and Iraqi oil coming back to the market? Usually prices (and profits) go down when supply levels go up.

Regards, Andrew

(Growing up in West-Berlin I am one of those alive because America wasted money on liberating Germany. Tell me again how such wars are a waste of money.)

 

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