inGame footage of various games. In the future I hope to add reviews. ^_^

While some conservatives claim that Obama wants to kill your granny I hesitate to accept that as Obamas sole reason for pushing the health care reform.

From the private insurers point of view it makes perfect sense to oppose the reform ... if they didn't, they'd face an immense decline in profits if either the government option provides better care or if regulations bar insurers from avoiding costs by their current methods.

But it's a bit too simplicistic to merely claim that one party acts out of altruism (or a loathing of old ladies) and the other out of greed.

So, what do you think are the driving motives in this dispute ?

(Note that I don't ask you what you think is the better solution.)

 

Pro (Motives of the health care reform advocates):

  • The Believe that health care is a right, not a privilege (file under altruism).
  • Desire for more government control.
  • An excuse to raise taxes (no one wants to pay more taxes without a good reason).
  • Desperation (they can't get private insurance and hope for the public option).

Con (Motives of the health care reform opponents):

  • Greed / seeking profits (Insurance companies will lose money if forced to provide care to sick)
  • Selfishness ("Why should I pay for your surgery?").
  • Government shouldn't do health care because they are incompetent ().
  • Poor people should die sooner than later.
  • It is not clear how the reform can be financed.
  • A deal with drug companies prohibiting the government to negotiate drug prices can't lower costs.

 

Two key issues that make the health care reform necessary in the eyes of the proponents are quailty and cost.

Quality has been discussed to death and information (and misinformation) is freely available.

Cost is harder to estimate - one simply can't understand what estimated costs of trillions of dollars over decades means for your paycheck. So I started a different thread where I want to compare the personal average cost of health care in different countries.

The personal Cost of Health Care - An international comparison

For example: German average gross income is about €2,500. After deductions (including health insurance) a single person without kids gets to keep about €1,500.

And what can germans do with that money in germany? Why, buy beer, of course. €1,500 get you 1,200 litre of high quality Pilsener beer - twice as much if you don't care about quality and go for the cheap labels.

Health care costs: €185 per month (currently $264)

 

Cheers!


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on Aug 28, 2009

NAFTA...

Wasn't that passed by Clinton 8 years before George W. Bush became president?

It's still Bush's fault, no doubt.

 

on Aug 28, 2009

Socialists don't produce wealth, they seize the means of production, such as General Motors and Chrysler. When it's voluntary, like the kibbutz movement, the product of an individuals labour is not theirs to distribute, it belongs to the collective.

on Aug 28, 2009

How is the war against terror an economic policy?

Pweeezzze, DO click on earlier linked demonstrations & evidence of the total ongoing cost(s).

on Aug 28, 2009

Wasn't that passed by Clinton 8 years before George W. Bush became president?

1992, father or son?

on Aug 28, 2009

...it belongs to the collective.

And, since when Capitalism isn't collectively managed.

on Aug 28, 2009

When it's voluntary, like the kibbutz movement, the product of an individuals labour is not theirs to distribute, it belongs to the collective.

Of course, that's the idea.

 

on Aug 28, 2009

Pweeezzze, DO click on earlier linked demonstrations & evidence of the total ongoing cost(s).

It has costs equals it is an economic policy?

 

1992, father or son?

1994, I think.

 

on Aug 28, 2009

1994, I think.

Well, Clinton & Chrétien signed it... but negotiations were basicly finalized when Bush & Mulroney were in power.

on Aug 28, 2009

Well, Clinton & Chrétien signed it... but negotiations were basicly finalized when Bush & Mulroney were in power.

So we agree that NAFTA wasn't one of George W. Bush's policies that caused the recession?

 

on Aug 28, 2009

No, we aren't. It simply states that H_Bush contributed to setup the *second* NAFTA deal between Canada/USA/Mexico and that such a process doesn't necessarily caused a USA (only, btw) recession conditions partially or not; for that, you'd need a Gulf War and Koweit restarting Oil supply after fixing some sabotaged wells for steady production.

on Aug 28, 2009

New Orleans was a Democrat disaster;

How so... Katrina hurricane didn't have any political agenda, it struck the USA coastline and whomever managed at the time had strict intervention responsabilities to the people (left behind, in fact), not the oil wells supply or artificially generated, as a result of previous neglect, recession concerns.

on Aug 28, 2009

Wait, what?  Are you saying that NAFTA's free trade zone somehow created a recession?

on Aug 28, 2009

Who was it that said Lumber isn't an engine for prosperity? And that, anyone can actually provide a steady stream of plywood sheets (etc) back & forth unless somehow blocked by a "BUY American" clause.

Not that both tourism industries can't collapse when the loonie flies steadily near the greenbuck value; come and visit us, now that your money is almost at par with ours. We'll possibly start driving less south to shop more north.

Strange economic figures, isn't it?

on Aug 28, 2009

I'm having trouble discovering what point you are trying to make.  Are you for or against free trade?

on Aug 28, 2009

You are pretty calm considering that the USA is broke now, broke 20 years into the future, losing the dollar as lead currency and being at the mercy of China. China could decide to sell all dollar assests, causing the currency to crash and in addition make US bonds too unattractive to buyers. Total defeat.

Of course, China will unlikely do so. They tend to act carefully, patiently and with great foresight. If they should decide to do so however, we can be assured that they'll have thought it through.

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