I'd avoid threads of this nature, as well.. as you can imagine. You're not the first to post them. A simple Forum Search would have yeilded that truth.

Here is a simpliar topic, but with the title reversed. Perhaps you should amend to it, unless it was locked for being a dead-end-topic.

Demigod vs DOTA - Started December 8th 2008.

You know you're gonna open another pandora's box with this thread...

I think it's hard for you to present a reasonable case for comparison when you've already claimed that you've never played DotA in the first place.

Just for the record, many skills and concepts in Demigod are clearly inspired by those in DotA. Also, while the Warcraft 3 engine is dated, it is far more scalable than the Moho Engine; Warcraft 3 can run on rigs older than it's time, allowing for a wider audience of players.

Comparing heroes with Demigods, one can see where the inspiration may be drawn from. Just to name a few:

* Main structure as game objective, Citadel => Throne/Tree of Life

* Morale skill tree => +2 per stat in DotA

* Regulus => Dwarven Sniper + Goblin Techies. Dwarven Sniper has the snipe ability and range increase, while Goblin Techies had mines.

* DotA has a very rich variety of buffs and debuffs too. Several DotA heroes can summon minions too.

* Erebus's Mist is akin to Sand King's Sand Storm.

* Unclean Beast's Inner Beast => Ursa Warrior's Overpower

* Oak's Penitence => Holy Knight's Penitence

Things cool and unusual in DotA yet seen in Demigod:

* Stealth based characters

* Displacement based skills (Swap, Meat Hook, Lightning Grapple, Toss, Portal, etc)

* Replication based skills (Juxtapose, Wall of Replica)

That said, many ideas in DotA can hardly be called original either, and we know that Demigod is definitely different enough to be its own.

It's no use saying one is better over the other because the two are different. It's more a matter of taste. That said, I definitely have a taste for both.  

Why do you feel there is a need to compare the two and say Demigod is better? You have never even played DotA so you don't really have the credibility to compare honestly. DotA has been around for a long time and before that coming from maps like Aeon of Strife and has a crazy player base history. DotA after all this time also has mass amounts of heroes, and a lot more complex gameplay. I mean it is probably top 10 most hours played game per day and it is a custom created player map!

If you are trying to hype Demigod you definitely don't want to come at the angle Demigod is better the DotA, because flat out it is not "better", the convenience of battlenet and solidness of blizzard is almost impossible to compete with. If you want to hype Demigod I would say that if you liked DotA you will love demigod, both games are equally fun. The edge Demigod has are really nice graphics look feel and amazing audio. Also a fresh new game, people have been playing DotA since I think 2002. I started playing DotA when the first map was released, have been saying that I wish someone would make a modernized dota style game for a long time. There are plenty of people that will be ready to move on to demigod and it will grow over time.

That said if you have never played DotA and play demigod, go pick up a copy of warcraft 3 for cheap and play some DotA, both very enjoyable games.

Sydaemon:  Wouldn't a demigod that functioned along the odd lines of Phantom Lancer, Templar Assassin, or Undying be awesome to see?  I for one would love something like Earthshaker, since him and a blink dagger is my favorite hero in DotA.  Nothing quite like blink -> echo slam -> fissure -> enchant totem -> refresher orb ->echo slam

Edit:  Edited to reply to Aroddo's question about unusual heroes in DotA.

There's the ones I mentioned above off the top of my head.

Phantom Lancer is based around creating illusions of himself that carry 25% of his damage and are under his control, that can also generate more as well up to a cap of 5 currently.  Combined with one of the mana burning items in the game, he destroys spellcasters that can't do an aoe stun or blink away, and is a perfect counter to the hero Leoric, since without mana his best ability (refered to as an ultimate in DotA) is useless.

Templar Assassin is a very short range ranged character, who is all about causing splash through damage on her attacks, going invisible in a spot and then popping out to do extra damage + armor reduction, and placing traps around the map that slow opponents when they're activated.

Undying is a zombie like guy who can sap the strength from opponents and give it to himself temporarily (more hp and damage for him, less hp and damage for them if they are strength based), he can heal/hurt someone with a spell that has greater effect the more enemies/friends that are around, he can raise an obelisk that spawns temporary zombies that slow the person they're hitting, and he can turn into a giant flesh golem for 30 seconds, which debuffs all enemies around him into moving slower and taking more damage, along with anything dying near him healing a % of his max health.

Rooftrellen is a giant treant that can give someone an armor buff that also increase their hp regen rate, he can place wards on trees that are permanent and see invisible in their sight radius (there's a number of ways to remove them via items or skills), he can make someone invisible for a while as long as they stay near trees, and he can make roots sprout out from the ground around him and grab everyone nearby and hold them in place for 3-5 seconds, doing damage and preventing them from attacking (they can still use spells though).

Or probably the best example would be Meepo.  He's a kobold geomancer, who can toss a net that holds you in place for 2 seconds, has a passive slow that also does damage over time on his attack, and can teleport to a copy of himself, doing damage where he leaves and arrives.  His ultimate generates copies of him, that have the same abilities at the levels he's got, and similar stats.  By the end game there will be four of him total.  However, if any of them die, they all die, and the copies only get a copy of his boots itemwise.

Some of the demigods in here are easy to sum up with mentioning a hero or two in DotA, but not all of them.  Regulus or Unclean beast is easy, Regulus as mentioned above is Dwarven Sniper with some Techies mixed in, whereas Unclean Beast is Pudge without the hook combined with old Naix and Caustic Finale from Sand King.  Rook, on the other hand, well.. there isn't anyone quite like Rook.

I second picking up a copy of Warcraft III for checking out DotA, though I will warn you that people on battle.net are pretty elitist jerks when it comes to people starting out.  However, if you do decide to get it, I'm totally willing to help show ya the ropes and everything, and to answer any questions you might have about it.  I've got a ridiculous amount of math/info about that game stored in my head.  Hell, if I needed to for some reason you could give me a damage number and an armor number and I could tell you how much damage it would actually end up being without having to look up the formula

Stupid thread is stupid. This is my first post and a drunken one. Just could not leave this be. Two entirely different games, which happen to be surprisingly similar. I have played very little Dota and that was when waiting for Demigod. Bashing the other for the favor of the other is just stupid. I like Demigod more, because of the camera and controlls. Many must like Dota because they have accustomed to it.

(sorry for grammar. english not my first and im drunk)

Meikkis: I like DotA because it's fun for me.  I also like Demigod because it's fun for me, and I have high hopes for it since it's a DotA style game that my friends might be willing to play with me due to it having an easier learning curve (imo, and that's a good thing) and it being a heck of a lot prettier.  Plus, you can play as a walking castle!  That's just pretty damn sweet.

I think bashing either is pretty dumb, as it doesn't accomplish anything.  In my case, I like what currently is in Demigod, and hope to see some more unusual Demigod styles come up as they add more or add more to the existing ones (btw how cool woudl it be if they continued to expand the current demigod's skill trees?  I'd be all over that).  I'm also excited over the clan wars idea that Frogboy mentioned a while back, as I'd love to get into some competitive play on this.

of course these 2 look graphically different. look how old war3 is. Also as stated abov few posts war3 was made that way so it could run on lower end pcs.

I played all war games but never got into war3 that much.War3 graphics are to toony for me atm hence is why i stopped playen wow.

Looks like Demigod still has plenty of ... inspirations to draw from.

And the engine used for DG is quite likely capable of running 3D maps, too. But right now I like the stylized, artificial duel maps. It makes the game feel more ... esoteric ... godlike, if you will.

When they finally decide to make 3d levels then I'd like to see one take place on a globe.

If you've never played DotA, why the fuck post this?  You have nothing to say.

If demigod wants to compete with the playerbase of DOTA, they really need to step up the number of heroes. 8+2 (that are planned) simply does not cut it for replayability. So far the number of maps in demigod have offered some variaty, but in 2-3 months time when people have played all heroes with all reasonable builds they prolly wont be coming back for more.

Explansions would be cool, I woul definately pay for 8 new heroes and maps

You're bashing the graphics?  The graphics mean nothing.  TF2 is not a better looking game than more recent FPS' but it's a hell of a lot better game.

Demigod heroes are like several Dota heroes smashed together.  The item system is much simpler, on the other hand.

Who cares what games look like, especially a strategy based game?  I love demigod and I play it more these days than DOTA, but DOTA is a classic, I have been playing since pre-Frozen Throne.  If you have never played it, please don't try to criticize it.  If you care for other noteable differences, DOTA has a system where certain items can only be gotten by combining others.

Ahye, graphic of Demigod kills it though ^^

Playing DotA for over 3 years now, bought Demigod today. Unfortunately, it doesnt works online kinda ... sth with ports or wtf...WHY THE HECK I HAVE TO OPEN THIS SH.. TO JOIN A GAME? It should be only needed for hosting .... No Comment. Due moving I have a o2DSL Router now, its a mess to open any port there and there is no chance of chosing UDP / TCP/IP...

Why the fuck not ?

actually it works without forwarding ports. at least it should, according to stardocks.

they are working on it.

If a game looks like good AND plays good, then it's preferable to the one with the outdated looks. Especially for new players that haven't played either game before. 

I can criticize what I see. And I'm interested to hear what makes DOTA superior to Demigod in your eyes.

But just "it has 100 heroes" doesn't cut it if the heroes don't offer you a unique game experience each.

I think, diablo 2 was the first game that did it right. Truly different heroes ... not just superficial differences like in D&D games, where early Barbarians, Fighters, Paladins, etc. were basically the same with minor differences (minor compared to Diablo II class distinction).

Demigod does that well, too, although the generals play too much alike in my opinion. At least if you go for a minion build for them.

add the proxy only parameter...sigh