They never should have been bailed out in the first place. They could have just gone bankrupt in the customary manner, but the intent all along was to seize the companies from the people that paid for and bought the shares, and the bondholders, and give it to their good friends, the UAW. That's Marxism at work.

You've completely missed the point of whose pensions went up in smoke. I'm talking about the bondholders in particular who were strong-armed into taking 20 cents on the dollar. Some of the debt was held by pension funds. Did you notice that in your list of figures that vast quantities were put into union pension funds? That, combined with their 55% stake in the company, gives the UAW a bed of roses compared to the shareholders and bondholders.

So, Po, do you support the government takeover of businesses? Is it just to take the paid-for private property, and give it to unions who don't actually pay for it?

I unzerstant you're englisch better then you're Deutsch.

I had to edit some of the quotes above, the tags were borking the page.

Po, I guess you missed the "radical ends" bit.

Pretty thin list, isn't it? Since when is being on the New York Times bestseller list an award, anyway? One of the sexiest men living? That's embarassing. Left-wing organizations always award each other, anyway. Yasser Arafat won the Nobel Peace prize, the great global-warming hoaxer, Al Gore, who's made about 100 million dollars on a carbon-trading scam, won the Nobel prize as well.

I must have missed that. Can you show me where Obama  said that that was his intent all along? ALso the part where COngress and the Senate agreed to it, please.

Yes.  But I kept being drawn to the 20 billion dollar surplus that sank to a 12 billion dollar deficit in a year before Obama stepped in. Then the 11.3 billion due to investment losses. Then GM’s decision to cut company health care benefits for salaried retirees 65 or older, it increased pension benefits to retirees at a cost of $3.7 billion

Chrylser screwed this up. They came to the government and said 'help'. Congress and the Senate passed the bill. So, the man you refer to as 'scary fucking stupid' and 'Makes Bush look good' managed to concoct a scheme to steal Chrysler and give it away  and fool bouth houses.  I guess he was lucky Chrylser mismanaged their greedy asses right into his hands. The government, as in the collection of folks we elect and put into office..the same collection that voted on this..did what they felt is neccassary to keep Chrysler going. Do you have a problem supporting our democratic system and the way in which it works?

I've seen this all before. It was called 'Network' and it ended badly. After Beck bringing his shrink/friend on the show to go over all the 'names' he's been called in blogs this past week, I suspect his tale will end badly as well. He can dish it out, but he can't take it.

No. I didn't miss anything. DId you miss my question that asked 'What are you reading into it that I am not?"

Better than most. Better than mine. How does it compare to your list?

I made my own crack about sexiest man living. I'm not sure why you brought that one up again.  Unless there is a little envy going on or something. Pretty thin list? I mean..that's it? Pretty thin list. That 's...pretty thin.

Have you seen Outer Limits?

anyway, I think your overcomplicating things, I like to reduce to the ridiculous and I suppose the lowest common denominator for me is, being able to watch and listen to the likes of Bill Burton, Robert Gibbs, Rahm Emanuel etc and know, without any shadow of a douthat something is not right. I suppose it's the old can't bullshit a bullshitter. Its on both sides I know, politicians bullshit.. but, to me, this admin. and a LOT of the people that support and surround it seem extremely shady.

It's human nature to pickup on things that arent quite right, I dont need Fox, Beck to tell me.. to me it was quite apparent way back when Obama arrived on the scene.

Your dismissal of this is disgusting, he's one of the founders for fucks sake.  I don't let a terrorist off for only helping to plan the terrorist activities.  If you form a terrorist group whos goals are publically stated to be retaliation against the republic for actions against other nations, I don't care whether you personally plant a bomb somewhere.  You're responsible for everything your organization does with your knowledge.

If it's irrelevant, why would he mention it?  The axe murderer likes puppies!!!  Uh... right...

What does leaving a group have to do with renouncing communism?  I can find no indications, even second hand, that he's anything but a full blown communist still.  That he had the brains to figure out running around with militant crazies that look like militant crazies wasn't going to get him anywhere simply means he at least has the intelligence of a gnat.  That he ever was with an organization like that simply means he doesn't have much more.  Specter can call himself whatever he wants to.  The title of republican is meaningless, he has never been anything but a progressive.

Yeah, but do your pages take thirty seconds to load?

You type in complete sentences, how do you read that line without grasping something so obvious?  There is nothing there about a change in issues and consistencies.  He simply says that he'll work with others to get his goals accomplished.  That line is a direct admission that he still holds the same goals, he simply isn't a goddamned idiot about achieving them.

I am curious as to what skulldugery radical ends you are attributing to him. I mean, I don't really know, would you please enlighten me.

I ,missed the part that said he had knowledge of it before or after the fact. Where was that?

It's called being objective and responsible. Unless he just wants to paint a one sided portrait of the man and lead people to what would be only one conclusion based on his 'lack; of information. But he seems to prefer to play it loose and let his listeners find a man guilty of something that no DA or court ever could.

Beck says the same stuff and never offers any proof. It's inflamatory shit. That's my whole problem with Beck/Beal.

I'll bite. What the hell does that have to with anything?  Are we measuring authenticity or credibility on how fast a page loads? Is this a new Beckism?

Yes. Like racial and economic justice, helping the enviroment, civil rights, and job training, support, and work experience for the people who need it.  What's your point?

Is the thread messed up for you, too? Not the topic - the HTML.

After reply 106 everything is messed up.

Whatever you did, Island Dog, it didn't work.

Page is working fine, Arrodo...at least from here.

I guess those goals aren't worthwhile, Po'.

Just wanted to note how much I've enjoyed reading your responses. You've kept right on the bead. Sorry I haven't lent a hand, but you didn't seem to need it.

Running FF 3.5.2

For me the problem starts at post#106

Fixed thread.